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Re: How to hardwire power using the USB port.

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Lov2camp
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Since I hard wired the two cameras I'm getting a lot of false notifications? Guess I'm going to get the 6v 2mha supplies instead. If it's not to late that is.
TomMac
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Lov2camp wrote:
Since I hard wired the two cameras I'm getting a lot of false notifications? Guess I'm going to get the6v2mha supplies instead. If it's not to late that is.

I know you used 12v dc supply...

but FYI, the units uses 2 sets of cells in parallel. So the voltage needed would be in the 6.4v ( reg cells ) to 8.4v ( rechargeables ).

 

The unit appears to work at 12v, as per other users, but that may be part of your sense problem.... personnally I'd be running in the <9v range so loss of voltage  for power line run isn't a problem.

 

As a PS... Test the output voltage... Many small wall transformers put out higher voltage than rated ( non regulated ) and will only see the rated voltage near the output spec load.

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Sin_City
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Notifications no longer work with this mod. The new update must have a routine that detects prescence os the USB usage. You can still record live video and camera will work. Just no notifications.

Sin_City
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I have been using the USB port to power my camera with great success since summer 2015 until the new update this year. The new update detects presence of the USB port being used for power and will not send notifications. I noticed I was getting notifications from my battery powered one outside but not from the one inside powered by the USB adapter. When I switched that unit with batteries, the notifications came back. The camera still functions with the USB power, just no notifications.

 

The camera is mine. If I choose to void the warranty, then that is my business! This is Netgear's way of pushing their expensive Arlo Q.

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Back to the drawing board on an elegant solution by powering through the battery compartment.

Lov2camp
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I switched out the 2 power supply's from 12volts one now has 6 volt and the other to 9 volt no more false notifications from either of them now. I got lots of them with 12v. Really is a shame I know a few people now that would buy this system but won't because of the battery issues in this colder climate. I had a SWANN system and hated it for more reasons you can imagine! Like I said earlier I was going to return my Arlo until I found these postings on powering the cameras.
JamesC
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Sin_City,

 

While we don't encourage using the wire-free cameras in this way (power over usb) I just tested this and was able to receive notifications (e-mail and push) without issue. Are you seeing this behavior across multiple cameras?

 

JamesC

Lov2camp
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I am NOT powering them over the USB plug. I soldered the positive and negative spring connectors or should I say where the batteries would connect with two wires to run my power supplies directly to the cameras. I am not running email notifications only the text notification but they are working just fine very seldom do I get a false notification. When I was feeding them 12 V I was getting false notifications quite often.
C-bad
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How about just rewiring the micro USB power board manually by swapping out the oem wiring with say your own homemade set. That you know it's still doing drawing power but any other signal routes (ie. The ones that are used to communicate over wifi telling the arlo not to send notifications because the USB port is in use) are inert?

Or maybe somehow (if possible) wiring the back end of the micro USB port directly to the battery terminals that way the Micro USB port is essentially serving as an adapting port?
C-bad
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I guess what I mean to say is basically creating your own direct power supply route to the battery terminals (which we've seen done on here before) but in a way where it's still as simple as utilizing the Micro USB port in which you've already deminstrated.

Might be a headache and get a bit messy but I mean at this point I don't see what you'd have to lose as far as tweaking with that arlo goes. Can't imagine it being anymore sophisticated then disembling an iphone and I think we've all been down that route once or twice =p
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TomMac
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How about just rewiring the micro USB power board manually by swapping out the oem wiring with say your own homemade set. That you know it's still doing drawing power but any other signal routes

 

 

If your going to supply an external voltage to the Arlo... rather then bugger the usb ( since the door would be needed to be open ) just drill the battery door and go right to the battery terminal, then silicon up small wire opening.

 

Not to many here can do sm soldering, while a drilled hole is easy.

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LGE
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I'm trying to power the cameras with the USB port, but the live streaming doesn't work and the camera also seems to stop recording after an initial period (30 seconds?). Does the latest firmware block the USB power from working? if so I guess I'll need to solder the power supply to the springs. In case that I need to do that, does anyone know want the voltage should be? (If the batteries are wired in a series it should be 12v) Thanks.

Schorschi
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LGE wrote:

I'm trying to power the cameras with the USB port, but the live streaming doesn't work and the camera also seems to stop recording after an initial period (30 seconds?). Does the latest firmware block the USB power from working? if so I guess I'll need to solder the power supply to the springs. In case that I need to do that, does anyone know want the voltage should be? (If the batteries are wired in a series it should be 12v) Thanks.


Careful. Although there are four 3V batteries in the compartment, they are not all in series. I believe they are two in series of two each in parallel, so the supply voltage should be 6V, not 12V.

 

I believe tihs is all written in this thread. Did you read it thoroughly?

LGE
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In another thread I'm reading that it's a 12v system, someone actually posted a picture of him hooking it up with a 12v power supply.

 

https://community.netgear.com/t5/Arlo-Wire-Free-camera/Easy-to-take-camera-apart-and-solder-leads-to...

 

So I used a 12v power supply and hooked it up to the battery terminals, it kind of works. While now it won't turn itself off after maybe 30 seconds, it keeps recording only 10 second clips, when I click stream live it still gets stuck in "please wait".

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LGE wrote:

In another thread I'm reading that it's a 12v system, someone actually posted a picture of him hooking it up with a 12v power supply.

 

https://community.netgear.com/t5/Arlo-Wire-Free-camera/Easy-to-take-camera-apart-and-solder-leads-to...

 

So I used a 12v power supply and hooked it up to the battery terminals, it kind of works. While now it won't turn itself off after maybe 30 seconds, it keeps recording only 10 second clips, when I click stream live it still gets stuck in "please wait".


And everything on the internet is true  🙂   Gearhack is just wrong.

 

Look, it's an easy test.  Put in 2 cells in the front or back and the camera works fine but for half as long...

Many DON"T know in the start up, there was a DAY only Arlo cam ( with no IR lights ) that didn't make it to market ... same cam just no IR, running on 2 cells only. The additional cells were to extend the available mahr as the IR draws quite a bit.

 

Several have used 12v and some work, some don't or have problems. If hooked up right, it should be working the same as on batteries

 

Here's the reason; As is, the camera runs on 6.4 to 8.4 (li-ion)  voltage range.

Curcuit chips have a working voltage range base on the selection of parts plus any variance of the parts themselves.  The parts could have been picked with a max working voltage of 12v ( BTW; all educated guesses here from my own builds  with surface mount parts)

If so, then with normal variance, some parts will function fine with say 13-14v, some won't

 

Put in to much voltage and if works it may be funky OR the smoke will come out. If the smoke comes out then unless your good with electronics and have a hot air system for SM parts it's trash.

 

So if you want to run at 12v , fine... But for long term your better off at about 6v+ with at least 500ma supply.  Don't forget the possible losses on long wire runs with dc

 

As a PS... the USB port is rated at 5v max, after testing I decided it was not the way to go as the chance of burning it out. Tho the cam ran, it was with with low voltage indicated. Not sure if the usb port still works with sw changes

Best is to go to the teminals directly and I've have the best results running from there. Solar with a 6v gell cell worked fine too.

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iapodaca73
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LGE Wrote:

 

In another thread I'm reading that it's a 12v system, someone actually posted a picture of him hooking it up with a 12v power supply.

 

https://community.netgear.com/t5/Arlo-Wire-Free-camera/Easy-to-take-camera-apart-and-solder-leads-to...

 

So I used a 12v power supply and hooked it up to the battery terminals, it kind of works. While now it won't turn itself off after maybe 30 seconds, it keeps recording only 10 second clips, when I click stream live it still gets stuck in "please wait".

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I have to agree with (Schorschi)  the the cameras are a 6v system with two batteries in series and each set in Parallel.  I did the mod to my camera that sits on my Garage since it is the one with the most traffic and since I travel for work I would hate to be away and have the batteries go out during one of my trips. 

 

I have posted pics of what I did I am not completely done with the mod I am trying to see about getting a flat ribbon cable to do what I am after.  I did not want to drill or cut my access door on my camera like others have done here so I went a different route.  Let me know if you have any other questions on anything that I posted.

 

1.  Purchased Alligator clips at local hardware store Home Depot,  Tyco Electronics SKU# 1001353412, I then soldered on the two positive and the two negative clips together,  then I put head shrink around them to protecte them from touching.

Negative Clips

 

2.  I then clipped each pair to the camera onto each respective leads,  after that I placed the smallest heat shrink I could around both wires.  I did this so when the lid closes it does not cut the wires,  I am using 26AWG wire in this pic since it is low voltage and is a very short distance, you will see in my next pics.

 

Wires Clipped inside

3.  Picture of heat shrink and wires coming from inside the cam out.  I will place a small amount of silicone to keep water from entering.

 

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4.  I then wired up a larger gauge wire to my camera and covered with heat shrink on each wire then place a larger heat shrink over those for protection.

 

Heatshrink small wire to larger wire.

 

5 I am using the Arlo Camera arm mount for this camera not the Magnetic one so I drilled a whole in the arm since it is hollow this way I can run my wires through it.  I then placed silicone on the hole.

 

Hole drilled in Arlo cam mount.

 

Picture of wires running through arm.

Wires through Arm Mount

 

6.   I then pulled the wires through my wall mounted the arm and powered my camera with an old 7.5vdc 1.0a power supply I had laying around.  The camera powered up synced up and is working perfectly fine. 

 

Camera Mounted

 

Image from camera in live view.

Live view

 

Hope this help someone out there that wants to convert there camera over to a powered system.

 

Model: VMC3030 | Arlo Wire-Free Camera
TomMac
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If you can find some old ribbon cable from a computer ( like for the drives ) or even some of the newer ribbons (copper trace on/in clear plastic) it woul fit easier.

I ran the camera off of 30g wire I had and for couple inches it was fine ( to heavier outside )

 

Nice job

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iapodaca73
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TomMac

That is a good idea, I have a few old PC's laying around I just might look at that this weekend. I'm just enjoying the fact that I can let the camera do its job without the stress of battery loss or missed replacements.

I am an IT Administrator at a Controls company we deal with cameras and high end building automation equipment and I have to say I am really liking this system. What I have found in the past is that no matter what the product it always seems like the software always has issues. I had tried a Lorex wireless system and just did not enjoy the interface and a few other issues. I really have to give it to Netgear for coming out with such a simple product. Once they get some type of power adapter option I think this product will be rock solid.

I am working on a battery pack made of false or fake battery's where they will fit the housing but where I can have the terminals as part of it so it's a matter of plug and play. I will post pictures once I get it all figured out and built.

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Thought of dummy batteries, easy enough to make and have in past....But it was easier to tack solder on to the terminals. 

 

If I was doing a permanent replacement not caring about going back,  I'd just drill a small hole and add a female coaxial pig tail hanging out a few inches ( so cam can be moved if needed ). Coxial Seal for the coaxial joint for water proofing

 

BTW, for those areas without nearby power...  http://www.walmart.com/ip/Moultrie-6V-Deluxe-Solar-Panel/16386214

solar and their 6v battery combo for $30 designed for a game feeder

 

 

 

 

 

( as a PS, connect to both sets of terminals as some have reported variance in battery indicator if only front or rear set used... the cell banks are basically in parallel but there is a small bit of circuitry between the two  )

 

 

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iapodaca73
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TomMac,

 

I like that, so it seems that with a little bit of parts such as a couple of Diodes you can make a system that will always have power using the panel during the day and some rechargables at night.  then having them recharge during the day once again,  I am going to look into this since I have one camera that I would like to put over by my shed area I got good connectivity out there just no power.  If I build something and it works I will pass along my findings and pics on what I did.

 

thanks for that bit of info never crossed my mind.

 

 

Model: VMC3030 | Arlo Wire-Free Camera
TomMac
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iapodaca73 wrote:

I like that, so it seems that with a little bit of parts such as a couple of Diodes you can make a system that will always have power using the panel during the day and some rechargables at night.  then having them recharge during the day once again,  I am going to look into this since I have one camera that I would like to put over by my shed area I got good connectivity out there just no power.  If I build something and it works I will pass along my findings and pics on what I did.


 


.. the  Moultrie 6V Deluxe Solar Panel seems to have controler in it as it's designed to match their battery.... it states no overcharging of battery in spec. Cost for both not much more than 4 quality li-ion cells. As a plus the battery is 5000mahr compared to 3000 as stock.

 

I ran one of my units for a while on a 6 v gel cell and solar panel ( but had a controller as the panel put out 18-20v in full sun as normal )

 

But there many parts out there and  a zener diode or 317  voltage chip couldn't hurt if needed when putting together you own..... its not rocket science !  🙂

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iapodaca73
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TomMac,

 

well ill haven't done the solar project yet out by the shed, but I did update the wiring to the cam I posted before.  I took an old ribbon cable like you mentioned and it worked like a champ still using alligator clips.  Thanks for that add, it was a good one.

 

New wire setup

Model: VMC3030 | Arlo Wire-Free Camera
Andmatts
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I made these dummy battery

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through this eBay DC-DC converter http://www.ebay.com/itm/222031140251?_trksid=p2057872.m2749.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT )
So to my 12 volt power source comes out as 6.4 volts

TomMac
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Andmatts wrote:

I made these dummy battery

 

 

through this eBay DC-DC converter http://www.ebay.com/itm/222031140251?_trksid=p2057872.m2749.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT )
So to my 12 volt power source comes out as 6.4 volts


That's a nice little cheap converter... buck type transformer looks like to up voltage if needed too?

Prob cost me more to in single parts to build a small controler

 

But the output at 6.4 is a good voltage to work with as the OEMs put out 6.4 as new.

 

Can't really seeing it pulling more than 250ma at max draw.... Nice job ( tho can't see the pics yet.)

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